Fourth Interview of Rubén Feldman González by Karina Jimenez

Mexicali-Mexico – 20th August 2006

KJ:  Could there be another way of describing “That” (the sacred) that is not through living it?

RFG: We already have five thousand years of multiple descriptions of the sacred, but very few have lived it.I explain this in my Written Work, as a consequence of the lack of sufficient emphasis on the “metanoia” of Jesus Christ (JK-1), which is what we call “Unitary Perception”.

KJ:  How is it that the contradiction has existed in the mind of the human being of explaining peace through memory?

RFG: I explain this in my Written Work.
Thought is dual by nature, and without Unitary Perception we cannot become aware of the gross contradictions of thought, for example, that the Christian religion asks us not to kill and in the Christian States they ask us to kill in war; or even that by inventing an enemy, we become enemies.

KJ:  Can our habits, food, hours of sleep, etc, become conditioning factors that prevent us being in peace?

RFG: If we do not see that thought habitually invents enemies, how can we live in peace?
If we do not see that sleeping less than eight hours a day makes us irritable, sad, angry and enraged lunatics, how can we live in peace?
We treat the people who are dearest to us as if they were enemies. How can we live in peace?

KJ: How is it that memory has not allowed the discrimination of what is the true path for joy?

RFG: Memory can only remember joy for something, and then one lives seeking to repeat the joy for something or someone. There exists no path to the joy without cause, which is that joy that is only discovered by living in Unitary Perception.

KJ: Can that be a right for people with mental illness?

RFG: That knows nothing of rights and duties.
It only knows to leave when there is no peace.

KJ: Could social and cultural conditioning be a limiting factor in the attempt of Unitary Perception?

RFG: Unitary Perception ends all conditioning and all limitation.
We cannot act like castrated eunuchs with respect to Unitary Perception; we have to take the initiative to attempt to live in Unitary Perception, at each moment, without effort or expectation.

KJ:  What form can social relations take in the attempt of Unitary Perception?

RFG: My question is different: How can we expect to be related living in the way that we know?
I found out what it was to be related at 34 years of age, after Jiddu Krishnamurti (JK-2) taught me Unitary Perception.
We relate to images of memory (precinct C), not to one another. From there arises the alternating coexistence and enmity (our family, national and international life).
In Unitary Perception, we can do the same thing at the same time, without the intervention of the individual ego, with much love. This has been called “communion” (something that has been forgotten and scorned).
And in precinct A there can even be collective enlightenment, as there was at Pentecost.

KJ:  From the perspective of physics, how can it be taken that “we human beings are one”?

RFG: This is explained minutely and in detail in my book, “The Psychology of the 21st Century”. The chapter is called “We are all one”.

KJ: Why is it that all the businesses that say, “of high quality to develop the spirit” do not speak about Group Mind?

RFG: We should not confuse Group Mind, very well described by David Bohm, with Unitary Perception.
Group Mind is one of the contingencies that arise from Unitary Perception. it appears that brain centres awaken that have been dormant for millennia, through lack of use.
We live surrounded by a spiritual supermarket that sells us books, little machines that make pi-pi noises and that “measure the soul” or “align the chakras”, straight and twisted crosses, candles, incense, crystals, diverse prayers, tofu, gluten, horoscopes, so called “magic” potions, witches, rabbit’s feet, diplomas in Christian ministry or in being a Buddhist lama, etc.-
That is not spirituality; that is fetishism.

KJ:  Can the human being live in Unitary Perception?

RFG: Of course.
They have only to learn to desire the good and not the bad.

KJ:  How is it that the living of Unitary Perception has not been implemented in the schools of psychology?

RFG: Unitary Perception is something very new.
But we cannot believe that a psychology that has produced 22 approaches in just 100 years can be called “discipline”. And even less can we call it “scientific psychology”. Present day psychology is fragmented and trivialised by ideological interests and “marketing”.

KJ: What is necessary so that the meetings of fraternal exploratory dialogue on Unitary Perception continue?

RFG: The good will. In Spanish “ganas.”

KJ:  Can observation come to be distorted by conditioning?

RFG: It does not come to be distorted, it is distorted.
Look at the news today. Any day.

KJ:  Can thought, which suffers from fragmentary perception, come to form a cultural “ego” that contributes to social disorder?

RFG: It forms it.

KJ: Can a functional language exist in Unitary Perception?

RFG: Only in Unitary Perception do we have a language that is effective, not egocentric and not hypnotic– imperative.

KJ: How is it possible to live in Unitary Perception if the desire for money exists as the only motive for action?

RFG: We have to see well the fragmentary perception of egocentricity that leads to war and misery. And it is not possible to see well without Unitary Perception.

KJ:  Can having achieved A be a right of only Jiddu Krishnamurti (JK-2), Jesus Christ (JK-1) and Buddha?

RFG: Precinct A is not achieved. It comes to us when we take kristic metanoia very seriously, which we call Unitary Perception.
The sacred came to them because they did what they had to do, without entertaining themselves, without distracting themselves, without escaping from being here one hundred percent.
But being here one hundred per cent in the silence of the sacred, (which is not to not speak), is only possible in Unitary Perception, without effort or expectation.
Effort and expectation take us away from here.

KJ:  If our action is the creation of memory, how can we make it that each activity be in the present and spontaneous?

RFG: We know only action based on memory, on technique, on formula, on belief, on ideology, and on philosophy.There is a different action, peaceful; and joyful, that is discovered only in Unitary Perception.

KJ:  If there exist many paradoxes in human life would it not be incongruent to say that every person has peace?

RFG: Only a blind person or a deaf person could say that all people are in peace.
But he who lives in Unitary Perception knows what it is to be in peace, in the midst of the horror of this life that the human being has constructed.

KJ:- When is Holokinetic Psychotherapy (Unitary Perception) going to commence?

RFG: When it is understood that the essence of true life is Unitary Perception.

KJ:  Can “supporting groups” fall into contradiction by fragmentarily focusing on behaviour, or on emotion, or on cognitive change, or on Dialectical- Behavioural Therapy?

RFG: They do fall into it.

KJ:  Is it possible to live in Unitary Perception, if there exists the need of daily work, family, study etc?

RFG: One lives in this way in the delight of the sacred, which came through constantly attempting Unitary Perception, since 1975.
One lives full of physical energy, passion for life, enamoured with all, interested in all.
I am studying Italian and algebra, sacred history and American history. Everything interests me. I walk and perspire a lot, one hour beneath the sun.
One lives in a very profound peace.
In this burning desert of Mexicali, in which we live, in that peace, the heat of the sun on the skin and resting at home is enjoyed, with equal intensity and profundity.
I look at Cecilia watering the garden, from the comfort of the window and smell the earth and the water that emanates sparkling vapours at the sun.
I watch how the leaves of our trees give thanks for that relief that only water brings. They give thanks with their colour and their trembling in the same way as an adolescent girl who discovers her sexuality.
At evening the children who are going to the park pass by, whilst the horizon lights up and the first star appears announcing the silence of the cosmos.
We have to listen to that silence.
​I do it in the garden surrounded by my six little dogs, who silently enjoy this marvellous and ardent life, almost as much as I do.  



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